They Call Me A Racist

[Cyneca]

Like many of you who believe in our Constitutional Republic, I have been called a Racist. Usually it happens when I question one of those leftist kool-aid drinking Obamites about the facts regarding health care, cap and trade or any number of the policies the liberals are so fond of but have no compelling argument to support. I've gotten used to being labeled a racist. In fact it is beginning to become rather a badge of courage.

I used to become offended by the term. I mean after all, I do not fall into the “official” definition of the term. I do not believe that any race is superior over another. I believe that each race is equal, under the law and in the eyes of God. I do not discriminate, nor do I prefer one race over another. I have never been known to be prejudiced, except maybe when it concerns eating liver, or brussel sprouts, but I call that preference, not prejudice. Yet because I question the validity of the claims made by this administration, I ask for facts, not opinions, some people believe that my hesitancy to buy into all the rhetoric as proof that I am prejudiced against an African American president, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Like millions of fellow Americans, I have been raised to question, to seek the truth within the actions of my government. I was taught, in my formal education, that the way to insure our continued success as a nation, required that I should seek the true reasons for the bills and policies that our government would seek to impose. That by doing so, I held the lawmakers accountable, and insured that my liberties and freedoms were not infringed upon. I was encouraged to contact my congress people if I was unsure about how a piece of legislation would effect me. I was told that doing so forced the law makers to insure that the laws they passed were just. In fact, the ability to question lawmakers was essential to insure that laws were not discriminatory, and treated all Americans equally.

Until recently, I found little to question. There were some things, like the Patriot Act, that caused me to pause and question the reason behind its consideration. The reasoning was explained, and while I wasn't comfortable with the idea, I had to admit that it had some merit. I mean we had not that long before been attacked on our own soil, and they were only going to listen in on people who the government felt could present a danger to the public. In questioning, I wasnt labeled unamerican, or a traitor. I was called a “concerned citizen”.

Then came Obama. He talked about change, and hope. He said that he could turn the economy around, that he would create jobs, insure that everyone had insurance coverage. I wasnt convinced. I looked at this man, one that I knew so little about and couldnt find much information on. A man who had so little experience in governing on any level, much less a national one. One who talked about how he was going to do all these great and wonderful things, but couldnt tell me how we could afford them as a nation. So, like I was taught, I questioned. When those I questioned couldnt find plausible answers, and I continued to question, I was called a racist. I was taken aback! How did the act of questioning someones policies and ideas qualify me as a racist? How was asking sensible questions construed as being prejudiced and discriminatory?

Not that long ago the “N-word” was basically stricken from polite vocabulary, and rightfully so. However, African Americans took what was a word that was discriminatory and redefined it. They used it as their own badge of honor in a way. The more I thought about being labeled as a racist, the more I began to look at the charge differently. I began to re-define it. I decided that if questioning my government on its policies and laws meant that I was racist, then I guessed I was. If being racist meant that I believed in the constitutional republic that our founding fathers provided for us, then, well maybe I was. If being willing to stand up and say “wait.. that is not right!” and researching how these laws and policies would effect me and other Americans, meant I was racist, well.....

So, as a result, I re-defined the word Racist to mean I was a patriot. That I had the courage to question, and to disagree. That I was armed with the facts about the effects and was compelled to point out the ways that the policies were wrong, unconstitutional, and infringed upon the liberties and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence to all Americans, regardless of color, creed, or religion. If those actions make me a racist, well then you're darn right I am a Racist.

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[hokiedad]

YOU ARE A PATRIOT! Don't let anyone shame you into standing on your principles. I have discovered that the only power liberals have over us is our desire to be civil. They use our self imposed guilt to silence us. I am a white male. I am proud to be male and white. Am I superior to someone who is not? Absolutely not but I am not inferior either. I will no longer shut my mouth when someone tries to make me feel guilty because I am white. The fact is 56 white males defined this country and it's principles. They are for everyone no matter what color their skin is.

[richard]

Cyn, A long time ago I had to do a lot of soul seraching myself on this very issue, of Racist alogations. In My Heart , I know that Judgement of man is not my job, and the ultimate Judgement will be done by God Almighty in the end.
This being said, I had to realize that I do unintentionally , by past expieriences place values upon people. Anyone who thinks that Lenin was some kind of bug, and not a Marxist, I have a hard time trusting. Etc. So, I decided to pick up a new saying, when being accused of being a Racist. and that is to agree with them, absolutely, By saying, :)"No, I'm not a Raciest, I try to Hate everyone equally, Not Too sure I even like myself all that much"! :eek:Normally they do not know what to say after that, and it takes them awhile to catch there breath any way.

[ben fowler]

Cyn darlin don't fret it any. Now guys im not a racist at all. but the majority of the ones who voted for him were black and a lot of white folk too!! Now what really gets my gall is that when someone pulls the race card, they seem to forget hes not 100% black. That pisses me off to no end that the supporters of this evilness thinks its because of his race, when for the most part, people don't like him because of his ideals. I know thats why i hate him so!! The minorities in this country have thought they have gotten such a raw deal for so long they thought this evil man was going to make things all better for them.
If you ask me its the obama's whose racist as hell!! If you don't think so then read culture of corruption. although all you really have to do is look at how he treats Israel and the way he hates white America. So who do you really think is racist??

[Stormsworder]

Actually, myself and another person were called racist at some forums after the two of us complained about Obama winning the election and pointing out some of the steps he was wanting to take.

Well, one of the forum users there (she was black, but she wasn't the only one of that race there. A few other members are there, and we're all a buncha gamers and roleplayers). When she read that, she started chewing us out and cursing us (and me of all people, when I'm one of the admins there!)

We locked away the thread from normal members' sight, but I can post all the details here of what she said... but we were called racist, backwater, rednecks... and those were the non-curse word ones.

[Cyneca]

I too am a gamer, and I own the forum for our faction. I made a rule right off that political and religious talk was prohibited because there was no need to let the forum degenerate with differing political opinions. I told them all that it would be hard for me as well because I was VERY active politically. If they want to know what I think about politics over there, they can ask me personally, but I will not post about it, nor will anyone else.

[jake7413]

If Obama's name was Omalley instead of Obama---no one would have made up claims that he was an irish born guy protesting that he shouldnt be president

C'mon folks---whether or not you are racist ---you know that the majority of hate for him is SIMPLY because he is Black. There are soooooooo many other instances but I will simply ask that you watch any teabag rallies---and you will see very many signs that have racial overtones in them. If you cannot see that, well....thats too sad

Simply dismissing this is not credible. I wish it were only the very fringe that has these racist ideas---but sadly the election of this man has shown some ugly truths about ourselves as a nation. May we humble ourseleves and pray for these individuals who harbor so much hate

For Gods sake---there was a poll the other day that 35% of republicans in NJ thought he was or possibly is the Antichrist

Again---so sad

[richard]

If Obama's name was Omalley instead of Obama---no one would have made up claims that he was an irish born guy protesting that he shouldnt be president

C'mon folks---whether or not you are racist ---you know that the majority of hate for him is SIMPLY because he is Black. There are soooooooo many other instances but I will simply ask that you watch any teabag rallies---and you will see very many signs that have racial overtones in them. If you cannot see that, well....thats too sad

Simply dismissing this is not credible. I wish it were only the very fringe that has these racist ideas---but sadly the election of this man has shown some ugly truths about ourselves as a nation. May we humble ourseleves and pray for these individuals who harbor so much hate

For Gods sake---there was a poll the other day that 35% of republicans in NJ thought he was or possibly is the Antichrist

Again---so sad

Do You Really think that what you said is true? I feel really sorry for you if you do.:(
The Fact that Obama is a Mulato (yes, Half African and half White ) Has nothing to do with the fact that he has never offered to show the general public, proof of his Birth right. Other than a forgery.
Has nothing to do with the fact that he is overpowering our Congressional, Judicial system with Czars of his Choosing, Has nothing to do with his taking over our Health carre system and placing it under an inept Gov't run Red Tape Burocracy. not to mention our Auto and Financial Inndustry, I personally could care less what color he is, or whether he is left handed or right handed or any other little test tube you personally put people into. :D

[Cyneca]

If Obama's name was Omalley instead of Obama---no one would have made up claims that he was an irish born guy protesting that he shouldnt be president

C'mon folks---whether or not you are racist ---you know that the majority of hate for him is SIMPLY because he is Black. There are soooooooo many other instances but I will simply ask that you watch any teabag rallies---and you will see very many signs that have racial overtones in them. If you cannot see that, well....thats too sad

Simply dismissing this is not credible. I wish it were only the very fringe that has these racist ideas---but sadly the election of this man has shown some ugly truths about ourselves as a nation. May we humble ourseleves and pray for these individuals who harbor so much hate

For Gods sake---there was a poll the other day that 35% of republicans in NJ thought he was or possibly is the Antichrist

Again---so sad

Oh really? What about those on the other side of the fence calling this movement a "cracker brigade", or claiming that the protesters were all "Lilly-white rednecks"? So because of those statements we should believe that the entire Obama supporting group is RACIST?

I admit that there are some that are truely racist....ON BOTH SIDES, but to paint the entire movement with the broad brush of racism is akin to the grapefruit calling the orange "citrus". Those that are truely racist on both sides are the minority, by a great amount. It is like us calling Obama supporters racist, something most of us dont do, we just say they are misinformed.

[Lary Lemin]

Ok so let me get this straight

The government has taken control of the banking system

The government has taken control of the automobile industry

The government wants control of our health care

The government wants control of how we use energy

And today I heard on the radio that the House just voted to take control of all student loans so there will be no private student loans

So the government now controls every way that we borrow money

And they call us Nazi Racists.

[ben fowler]

Jake , honestly what are you doing on this forum? You're an obamamite!! You say you aren't but you defend him all the time!!What are you a spy for the socialists?? Cyn i would really think twice about letting this obama loving idiot to continue to post in here!! hes a liberal through and through and he has no place here unless hes a reformed liberal, and , i cant see that in his defense of the evil one and those around him!! jake if you truly think we hate the man because of his skin color, then you deserve a place right along side a bigger idiot, CARTER!!

[Big Texan]

Cyn, don't fret. These are actions of twisted people. The only racists are those who keep trying to throw this in the mix. This is desperation on their part. It's also a sign that we are successful in hitting them with the truth and the facts. They are the true racists! They have divided this nation into so many different groups for years. Divide and conquer. Now that we are pulling together and see what we share in common, BEING AMERICAN, now they fear us. They should fear us, it's our house they're sitting in. We will rearrange the furniture next election!

I find it funny that ACORN was de-funded by the House this afternoon! Seventy five Dems voted to keep the funding. I would bet that those 75 Reps. make up the entire Black Caucus! Who's racist?

Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semite, yet he calls Americans who oppose the Prez. racists because he's black. He's a sick old man, and a racist! He's a disgrace now and when he was president. He can go straight to hell!

Don't take any of this to heart. We will be called worse before its all over. If they continue their violating ways, then we will practice extreme prejudice based on the constitution!

Jake, as far as I'm concerned, you're a troll. I don't care what you have to say any longer. You can still say it, but, I don't have to listen to it. Therefore, I choose my constitutional right to ignore you! I suggest that all others do the same. You will not get anything out of me. You don't exist, a non entity. You'll eventual tire of this and go your way. Via con Dios!

Big Texan:D

[Kian]

I read this thread and then Jakes and thought the same thing as Big Texan, you have a troll here! I am so sick of being called a racist if I don't agree with something that has to do with a so called minority. I had a 19 yr call me a racist when I disagreed with him on Illegal Immigration. He said that when they are deported they go to a Mexican jail for 2 months so they can't come back right away. I corrected him on his misinformation and the punk yelled at me and called me a racist!! He said I wasn't up on the current information since his "uncle" is a border patrol and he said I don't see a mexican taking your job or your husbands. I was ticked!!!

What a rat, he just said that because he had a crush on the mexican gal that worked with us. The next day I found the air out of one of my tires. When I went to have it checked, no reason for it, but it cost me a new set of tires. All day I had a horrible feeling since he was lurking outside near the cars.
I quit that job so I wouldn't have to work that arrogant punk. Cyn I am taking your point of view.
Thank you from this newbie!

[jake7413]

Lets see---we give the banks, the health and auto industries all the opportunities to be beneficial and productive---And its the govt fault when the private sector screws up?? A true capitalist is humbled by its failures and offers no excuses

The govt let the banks do what they do---and alas---they are shown to be greedy beyond control with little govt interference---so they have to "take over" so to speak

Auto industry---well, I dont have to argue too much there on how inept the major companies were to a point the govt felt it had to rescue them---but again, its the govt fault for the auto industry being inept??

And the health industry---this is the real kicker since banks may steal some $ or deny me certain loans illogically---auto companies may sell me a bad car---but health insurance companies may cause damages that cant be ever brought back

There are certain areas the private sector has no business with---which is why you dont see them building police and fireman forces as just a few examples. Some things need to be done by the govt since its a simple conflict of interest in other areas to rely on the private sector

People who run a bad company will be driven out by market forces--which is why capitalism is USUALLY the best way to go.

An immoral auto dealership, food store, carpet cleaning, auto mechanic, etc company will be taken out by better companies so there are generally no worries since the immoral and corrupt company will lose enough business to the honest and more competent ones

However, the risks are too great to have the private sector be making $ when it has to ever deal with the health and safety of the american citizen. Its simply a conflict of interest----insurance companies have no shame at making record $ at the expense of the health of american people

And we have given the private sector ENOUGH time to get their rear ends straightened out on health insurance---and they never have. As long as they can keep giving prominent politicians enough $$$ to keep them in the drivers seat---why will they ever change???

So once again, its govt fault for wanting to change or taking over a VERY failed system that the private sector has screwed up ALL BY THEMSELVES

If the govt insurance is as bad as it is that you say it WILL BE...and the private sector is as GOOD as you claim it to be presently---then you have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT---since the people will obviously pick the private insurance in the end since its SO MUCH BETTER.

Again, a true capitalist admits hes wrong and is not afraid of competition or being taken out of business when they are incompetent at what they were doing

Anyone who calls themselves a capitalist but continues to want a mulligan, a takeover or to be given an enabling attitude from the public or politicians of never having to be held accounatble for inept practices.....is by no way a true capitalist

[Cyneca]

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[Luke]

...
C'mon folks---whether or not you are racist ---you know that the majority of hate for him is SIMPLY because he is Black. There are soooooooo many other instances but I will simply ask that you watch any teabag rallies---and you will see very many signs that have racial overtones in them. If you cannot see that, well....thats too sad

Simply dismissing this is not credible. I wish it were only the very fringe that has these racist ideas---but sadly the election of this man has shown some ugly truths about ourselves as a nation. May we humble ourseleves and pray for these individuals who harbor so much hate

For Gods sake---there was a poll the other day that 35% of republicans in NJ thought he was or possibly is the Antichrist

Again---so sad
Jake,
I'm not sure which planet you come from, but you've arrived in The United States of America, Now you claim that the "Majority" are against BoBo-- oops I meant Obama because he is black - What are you smoking man?. Do you not listen or watch the news or pay attention to what he is doing? For one he has knocked on your back door-pushed it open and planted a seed of racism in your mind. whispering; if anyone is against me, its because they are racist.. , and you bought that!

He is a snake, and as he hisses he will bite and infect you... So you better watch out... hmm I hope I didn't offend the "snake" .

Let me tell you Jake, I don't care if we have a black-man for president-BUT not this one! He not only is a socialist Kenya born individual - he could very well be the preparation of the antichrist... after all what is an antichrist?

Anyone that comes against The Word of God, by killing babies, pushing for sames sex marriages, offending Israel, promoting Islam... want more!!??

Wake up and Look Up!

I aint git'n dirty...:)

[Luke]

... yes he is a Troll...

[Luke]

Cyn, don't fret. These are actions of twisted people. The only racists are those who keep trying to throw this in the mix. This is desperation on their part. It's also a sign that we are successful in hitting them with the truth and the facts. They are the true racists! They have divided this nation into so many different groups for years. Divide and conquer. Now that we are pulling together and see what we share in common, BEING AMERICAN, now they fear us. They should fear us, it's our house they're sitting in. We will rearrange the furniture next election!

I find it funny that ACORN was de-funded by the House this afternoon! Seventy five Dems voted to keep the funding. I would bet that those 75 Reps. make up the entire Black Caucus! Who's racist?

Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semite, yet he calls Americans who oppose the Prez. racists because he's black. He's a sick old man, and a racist! He's a disgrace now and when he was president. He can go straight to hell!

Don't take any of this to heart. We will be called worse before its all over. If they continue their violating ways, then we will practice extreme prejudice based on the constitution!

Jake, as far as I'm concerned, you're a troll. I don't care what you have to say any longer. You can still say it, but, I don't have to listen to it. Therefore, I choose my constitutional right to ignore you! I suggest that all others do the same. You will not get anything out of me. You don't exist, a non entity. You'll eventual tire of this and go your way. Via con Dios!

Big Texan:D

Very Well Said Tex,
These So called Obama conservative trolls are nothing but to STIR trouble. They come in all types... black - white - hispanics... Snakes is what they are... slithering in and abouts... we just stay away from the tree...

Luke

[Big Texan]

He is a snake, and as he hisses he will bite and infect you... So you better watch out... hmm I hope I didn't offend the "snake" .

Let me tell you Jake, I don't care if we have a black-man for president-BUT not this one! He not only is a socialist Kenya born individual - he could very well be the preparation of the antichrist... after all what is an antichrist?

Anyone that comes against The Word of God, by killing babies, pushing for sames sex marriages, offending Israel, promoting Islam... want more!!??

Wake up and Look Up!

I aint git'n dirty...:)

In Texas, we deal with rattle snakes by shooting them! I couldn't care less what the skin color of a man is, what makes the man is what's inside of him! Obama is a liar plain and simple. Everytime he opens his mouth, he lies! Everytime Reid, Pelosi, and others of their ilk, open their mouths they lie! They will pay a price for this, one way or another!

Big Texan

[Debbie.Jeff]

But...but....but....but....

I thought we're the snake! Telling politicians not to tread on us! ;)

[Big Texan]

Hey Debbie, this is in the Biblical sense of the "snake", not the "Dont' Tread on Me!" version. Sorry for the confusion.

Big Texan:D

[Debbie.Jeff]

In Texas, we deal with rattle snakes by shooting them! I couldn't care less what the skin color of a man is, what makes the man is what's inside of him! Obama is a liar plain and simple. Everytime he opens his mouth, he lies! Everytime Reid, Pelosi, and others of their ilk, open their mouths they lie! They will pay a price for this, one way or another!

Big Texan

But...but....but....but....

I thought we're the snake! Telling politicians not to tread on us! ;)

Hey Debbie, this is in the Biblical sense of the "snake", not the "Dont' Tread on Me!" version. Sorry for the confusion.

Big Texan:D

No confusion and no apology needed at all....

Notice the wink smiley face? I was joking about your snake thingey comment. :D

[jake7413]

Have to love your paranoia :-)....this is why the 912 movement cannot reach the level of importance that your movement wants. If you have not read many of my other posts, I came onto 912 because I wanted to be part of the movement based on what the 912 actually stood for

Please look at all of them where I point out many conservative principles that I believe in. Or you can be narrow minded and just assume I am a "mole" or a "troll". That is always much easier since it takes no effort

I have shown many of my judeo-christian beliefs and my republican conservative views in many of my posts----yet the majority of this group continues to not reply or acknowledge them. Again, its just much easier to label me a liberal SIMPLY because I think that some of the arguments against the current administration or simply OBAMA is over the top. Conservative Bill Buckley would have done the same---so I guess he would be getting the same treatment from this 912 event. I hope you know who he is

[Debbie.Jeff]

I have shown many of my judeo-christian beliefs and my republican conservative views in many of my posts----yet the majority of this group continues to not reply or acknowledge them.

Gee....I wonder why....

I will say this -- It isn't "just this group", as you claim, to ignore you. I've learned that it's "other groups" who also ignore you.

It does NOT please me to say it but apparently, you're asking why (even if you didn't say it in so many words).

When multiple people ignore one person, there's at least one very good reason why. Not to mention that 95% of the time, it is that one person who causes the problem.

No one cares to communicate with a "smart-alecky-who-thinks- and-knows-it-all-better-than- everyone-else-type" person. Try changing your attitude and you may start getting responses.

Just sayin'....

[jake7413]

Find me one post where I was mean spirited---and then find all of those posts by this group that were mean spirited toward me...it has nothing to do with smart -alecky

Please -- I challenge you to do the above exercise so as to get a perspective on who has kept his or her commitment toward 912 behavior

just saying......

Because of the grace of Jesus, I can never be able to hate anyone the way it is so common here to do so. All I ask is that we humble ourselves more, so we can ask more objective and honest questions about ourselves

If my posts come off "smart-alecky", I apologize. However, being smart alecky is a far cry from showing sincere hate and or mean/spiritedness toward someone

Glennbeckrocks and CC have supposedly been smart-alecky I guess as well by this description, which is somehow a justification by most on this forum to treat them like they are less than human

All I will continue to ask is to show a 912 attitude toward those in this forum (after all its called a 912 forum)...or is this smart-alecky??? Or are we to only have a 912 attitutude toward those of the same opinion

I will consider leaving if someone can convince me that the 912 principles are only to be shown to others in this forum if and ONLY if that person believes in all of their political views

What would be the harm in just doing that? Seriously, if we can err on the side of compassion or civiity over knee-jerk hate speech, wouldnt that be a good thing??

[jake7413]

To Ben for his last reply....if you look at my posts, I have said several things against who you refer to as "the evil one".

So to simply say I defend Obama all the time is way off....that is just a simple way for you to put me in this liberal box so as to make it easier for you to justify your hate toward me.

If you have read all of my posts, you will see that I am against him in several things such as school vouchers, abortion, some of his bailouts to the bank, and several others

[jake7413]

I also find it amazing that EVERYTIME I mention Bill Buckley in a post, I never have received a response on that question. Does anyone remember who he is?? Just curious

[Big Texan]

Yes Jake, I know who William F. Buckley was. He was a great Conservative thinker and speech writer. It was a tremendous loss for Conservatives and the U.S. when he passed.

Big Texan

[jake7413]

Glad to know that. He was the main "voice of reason" in his day. He was one who could always argue the roots of the issue instead of resorting to "talking points" like so many lazy idealogues do in the media nowadays (both left and right wing)

And he was quick to tell people like the John Birch Society where their beliefs belonged. That is why I bring him up from time to time. There are some parallels here

[Big Texan]

Because of the grace of Jesus, I can never be able to hate anyone the way it is so common here to do so. All I ask is that we humble ourselves more, so we can ask more objective and honest questions about ourselves

If my posts come off "smart-alecky", I apologize. However, being smart alecky is a far cry from showing sincere hate and or mean/spiritedness toward someone

Glennbeckrocks and CC have supposedly been smart-alecky I guess as well by this description, which is somehow a justification by most on this forum to treat them like they are less than human

All I will continue to ask is to show a 912 attitude toward those in this forum (after all its called a 912 forum)...or is this smart-alecky??? Or are we to only have a 912 attitutude toward those of the same opinion

I will consider leaving if someone can convince me that the 912 principles are only to be shown to others in this forum if and ONLY if that person believes in all of their political views

What would be the harm in just doing that? Seriously, if we can err on the side of compassion or civiity over knee-jerk hate speech, wouldnt that be a good thing??

Jake, as a Christain, I don't hate anybody, including you and Jimmy Carter. Yes, you are etitled to your opinion and so is our Canadian friend. People are angry and getting angrier by the day. It isn't about statistics or for that matter who's right or wrong. What does matter is that our Government doesn't represent us, doesn't listen to their constituients, and don't believe this is a government of the people, by the people, or for the people. We are the government, not them. It is we who hold them accountable and no one else. They work for us, period. The people do not want Obamacare, period. They don't want Congress to pass some worthless bill on it, period. No government control, period. No Cap & Trade, period. No more bailouts, period. Reduce spending, period. Win the damned war, period! Have they listened to us? NO! We've been protesting since March, have they heard us? Yes, but they don't care! They insult us! What is left for the people to do? REBELLION. Maybe they'll finally hear us then.

I will not ignore you. That being said, if I see an argument that isn't going anywhere, well, it's time to disengage. You can not convince the other person, and they can't convince you. Better to quit and argue another day and move along.

Big Texan

[jake7413]

Watched the video----very informative. Just confirms why I believe what I believe. Both sides are very corrupt...and govt has to be involved in these kinds of things to regulate the crooks who do all of this in the name of "capitalism". If we all could agree with what true capitalism is (one with responsibility)---you wouldn't have cooks like Michael Moore spreading the gossip of capitalism being EVIL. Its not. Its how it is misinterpreted. Maybe Michael Moore has good intentions since so much evil has been done in the name of capitalism, but that is like saying islam or christianity or many other religions are all bad since they all have been used to instigate wars and other hateful stuff all in the name of what is for the most part good. There will always be those on the fringe who will try and use something good for their own evil needs. We need to not be knee-jerk reactionaries when this happens

[Big Texan]

The thing is Jake, the Left has been attacking us for years. Are there folks on the right who are wrong, sure there are. The attack by the left has gone on without being checked. The Media have become their propaganda machine and are complicit. Just look at ACORN for that matter! Why was Fox News the only outfit that reported on this? Where was all the left in this matter. Its gotten beyond ridiculous.

Mainstream Americans have had enough! People who have never protesteded anything in their lives are now protesting! The government isn't listening and insults them. Things are about to boil over and there will be terrible consequences because of it. I see this as growing pains, and they are painful. There will be a redress of the government one way or another.

As for Obama, he has to be the most inept president we've ever had. Worse than Jimmy Carter for a multitude of reasons. It's not because he lacks education, he doesn't, he does lack common sense. The olympic bid is more important than our troops in Afghanistan. He calls our nation a "bad" nation. He cajoles thugs and dictators and craps on our true allies. I could go on, but it isn't necessary. He is an elitist that disdains his own country and its people. He hears us, but rejects our will. He is dangerous.

Big Texan

[Lary Lemin]

And let's remember that the left were slamming Bush for 8 yrs. I saw signs when they protested him calling him Hitler and he was called a liar on the House floor and nobody said a thing. But when the right does the same thing we are called " domestic terrorist" and Pelosi is afraid we will start shooting people and of course we are "THE MOB". Free speech is ok for the left but the right must be quiet and do as they say. Well I've never been good at being quiet and I'm not going to start now!:D

[CarpeDiem]

Jake, the fact is that the Democratic party filed a law suit saying that John McCain could not be president because he was born in Panama. Does that make the Democratic party anti Irish or Anti Scottish or whatever McCain's ethnicity might be. Personally, I don't buy the stuff about Obama not being Constitutionally right to be president, even if he were born in Kenya. Clearly, his mother was an American citizen and, according to current practice of the INS, that would make him a natural born citizen, so let's not discuss that nonsense.

I don't hate him nor do I believe that a majority of the people who disagree with his policies hate him. I have no doubt that there may be a few but, if any of them have been involved in the tea parties, the 9.12 movement, or any of the other dissension, they've certainly kept a very low profile. Racism would mean attacking the president solely on the basis of his race and that's not the case here. We disagree with his policies, and I maintain that it's just as racist to call those, who disagree with you, racist. It also shows that you either don't know how to support your point of view or don't really want it to be known. When that's the case, instead of discussing the issues, you demonize the other side and this is what has been happening. The far left can't really justify the reasons for their positions without admitting that it's really an attempt by them to sieze absolute power, and so they call anyone, who disagrees with them racists, liars, etc. and refuse to discuss the issues or to listen to their concerns.

Also, the very fact that Obama got elected shows how far this country has come. I didn't vote for him, not because he's black, but because of his pie in the sky promises, promises I knew could never be fulfilled. I would support any candidate whose positions match my values regardless of their color, and that's what I disagree with about Obama, not him, but his policies which I find dangerous.

Btw, I've seen the teabag rallies and I haven't seen a single sign that was even close to being racist. Also, in that New Jersey poll, it was 14% of Republicans who thought Obama was the anti christ, only 1% higher than the general poll and, while it may be a ridiculous belief, it's hard to say that it was based on racism plus such a small sample doesn't really prove very much.

In any case, how about if we begin discussing issues isntead of calling each other names. If someone can prove that something is a good or bad idea, that proof is no less valid whether or not that person might have racial prejudice or not. This idea of calling one's opponents racist is nothing more than a red herring with the purpose of cutting off dialogue because those, who use it, can't stand the idea that someone might disagree with them and that's the problem. That's why approval of the government including Obama is in free fall in the polls. People want to be heard whether or not you might not like what they have to day.