Living off the fat of the land?

[Woody]

Do you think we are heading towards that? As industrialized as this counrty is, I can't comprehend it, but my gut says that we might just have to learn how to be survivalist. I know many are stocking up on basic essentials, ammo, bartering items, etc.
I buy ammo when the shelves have what I can use, but have yet to start canned items.
A vegtable garden is going in this year for the first time. Maybe a chicken coop as well.

The only problem is I don't see the land being able to support the population as it did 200yrs ago. There's only so many fish in the lakes and streams, and seeds for planting.

Most of my free time I spend brainstorming scenerios of what would our family do if we didn't have electricity, fresh water, grocery store food, thing most people take for granted these days. I do have a good grasp of how to survive, and have tons of the tools to do it.

Sitting back and looking at what's going on around us, most of the time I just don't see any single, real answer for fixing this mess, and I tend to believe that a global colapse is probably going to happen with everything that has lead us to this. Maybe Dec 21, 2012, and the Mayan calander aren't to far off?????????? Hopefully not!

Sorry if I am being a downer today :o

[DrWarren]

Hello Woody,

There is, by the way, a section on "how to prepare (http://www.912forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=14)."

You do know that "survivalist" or those who otherwise hope for the best (me) but prepare for the worst (me) are whackos and wingnuts, right?

I do fear that we have a house of cards in many areas of our society - from the financial system / debt, the possibility of international conflict or civil unrest to possible food / fuel shortages. Or some combo of these.

I encourage everyone to read The Fourth Turning. Especially if you want a little encouragement to get prepared.

I see things going one of three ways listed in what I see as order of probability and reverse order of what I desire:

1) Socialist / communist totalitarian society (most likely based on current circumstances)
2) Collapse of civilization
3) Rebirth of freedom

In reality, I think we will see some strange mix of all three (perhaps we are already seeing it) but only 1 will come out the winner in the end.

I think people are CRAZY who are not preparing.

[dw04]

Try going online to order your ammo, hopefully you don't live in a socialist state that won't let you buy it online! Try http://cheaperthandirt.com, http://midwayusa.com, and http://www.cabelas.com.

I thought about what you said about there only being so many seeds and so much game. But I think that the population of this country that grows, hunts, and fishes is small enough for the land to support us. I think that those who are urbanized and have never had to survive on their own will perish quickly leaving the spoils of the country to us, that is if the government doesn't take away our rights to hunt, fish and grow food!

I am in the Military, we have contingency plans for everything. Do you think that we don't have our own wells, power, fuel and food stockpiles? Why shouldn't citizens be the same? I am an Electrician by trade and can tell you that the power grid is extremely suseptible to failure. Most people don't know that many areas rely on power generated across the country. Our "civilised" society is built on an intricate web of support, food, trucking, air transport, fuel, power, water, wastewater. And a failure in any one can cause a domino effect. I am personally trying to reduce my reliance on this structure. I advise that others do the same.

[Teufelhunden]

PRAY! The doomsday talk and teh folks looking for the end of this great nation under all the gloom staring us down the barrel of a gun right now PRAY!
It is not weather or not the government will allow you to hunt or fish now you are talking of survival and a survivalist will survive by all means or die trying.

MOVIE to watch: RED DAWN! ROAD WARRIOR!

The time is drawing nigh but as for those of us that are of faith we can see teh signs coming in line. I for one am praying that the good Lord finds grace to allow me to be taken home before the perverbial crap hits the fan and the Bible assures me of that.

Mental preparedness for the times ahead are of the upmost importance and as far as a resistance goes you have to remember there are a lot of people that think as we do on here and those patriots will band together

Just remember Woody......YOU ARE NOT ALONE!

[Woody]

Try going online to order your ammo, hopefully you don't live in a socialist state that won't let you buy it online! Try http://cheaperthandirt.com, http://midwayusa.com, and http://www.cabelas.com.

I thought about what you said about there only being so many seeds and so much game. But I think that the population of this country that grows, hunts, and fishes is small enough for the land to support us. I think that those who are urbanized and have never had to survive on their own will perish quickly leaving the spoils of the country to us, that is if the government doesn't take away our rights to hunt, fish and grow food!

I am in the Military, we have contingency plans for everything. Do you think that we don't have our own wells, power, fuel and food stockpiles? Why shouldn't citizens be the same? I am an Electrician by trade and can tell you that the power grid is extremely suseptible to failure. Most people don't know that many areas rely on power generated across the country. Our "civilised" society is built on an intricate web of support, food, trucking, air transport, fuel, power, water, wastewater. And a failure in any one can cause a domino effect. I am personally trying to reduce my reliance on this structure. I advise that others do the same.



I've been checking online sites for sometime and it's all the same..... Out of stock, backorder, etc. 3/4 -7/8 of the items are always out of stock. My local Wal Mart has had the shelves empty for a good month maybe two, yesterday, they actually had maybe 1/4 stock but it was odd ball items I couldn't use :( I had visted my local Bass Pro a few weeks ago, and found the shelves 90-95% bare, but did find 2 boxes of 9mm I was looking for. I have a fair stash of 12ga, and 9mm FMJ's but would like more by all means even if nothing ever happens my little boy and I will use them some day. I am in Ca. but haven't seen anything that says they won't ship here.

I did ask the Wally World guy how often they re-stock and he said everyday, depending on what they receive. Just need to go over there every morning as it's only 2 blocks away :o They seem to have the best prices even compared to online.


I do agree with you that most of the nation is way to urbanized to figure out how to live off the land. But I still day dream about the possibilities :)

[Woody]

Hello Woody,

There is, by the way, a section on "how to prepare (http://www.912forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=14)."

You do know that "survivalist" or those who otherwise hope for the best (me) but prepare for the worst (me) are whackos and wingnuts, right?

I do fear that we have a house of cards in many areas of our society - from the financial system / debt, the possibility of international conflict or civil unrest to possible food / fuel shortages. Or some combo of these.

I encourage everyone to read The Fourth Turning. Especially if you want a little encouragement to get prepared.

I see things going one of three ways listed in what I see as order of probability and reverse order of what I desire:

1) Socialist / communist totalitarian society (most likely based on current circumstances)
2) Collapse of civilization
3) Rebirth of freedom

In reality, I think we will see some strange mix of all three (perhaps we are already seeing it) but only 1 will come out the winner in the end.

I think people are CRAZY who are not preparing.

Sorry for posting in the wrong place :o I knew I had seen something somewhere but forgot where.

Yup, I am a whacko/wingnut :D

Your list 1,2,3 I think about hits it!

[Cyneca]

LOL you may be a wing nut... but at least you are not a Pin Head!!

[Colisa]

"that is if the government doesn't take away our rights to hunt, fish and grow food!"

they are trying to do that now!

HR 875 and S 425 is precisely that!


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875

search it up on Google and then search it up on youtube!
listen to Steve Shenk about HR 875 "the food Police" http://tinyurl.com/clx89s

Colisa,
I guess I'll be bootlegging veggies soon!

[dw04]

Thanks I hadn't even seen the senate bill, they are just bombarding congress with different versions of all these bills so that one of them will get passed.

[dpdacct]

I know how you feel, about not being able to comprehend what's happening to our country. I, too, am devestated. But, I've found out that by doing all I can to prepare, I've discovered a sense of control over the situation. I'm stressing less and preparing more.
One thing we did, just recently, was to buy a reloader for ammo. We had quite a time finding primers but are on a roll now.
This is a great forum for discussing concerns that we may have about the future. Together we stand!

[lysandra_m@hotmail.com]

Not to worry. A friend has a new book in publication that has many answers to these and alot more problems of what to do in hard times. She even knows how to preserve those things we do grow and can answer your questions.

[Viper2005]

There is plenty of land to support us, plenty of wildlife (excessive amounts in areas thanks to wildlife management.) Besides, not everyone is going to be a farmer. Not everyone will be a soldier, not everyone will be a home builder. If we collapse and life returns to the way it was back to the 1700's, we will have people that will apply their trades - finding ways to generate power and electricity, home builders that will scour for wood and build homes, farmers that will till land - and free markets will open and bartering will begin. The USA will survive, capitalism will flourish and life will go on.

[oldhen]

Nehemiah prayed first, then posted an armed guard 24/7, then got the wall built with swords in one hand and trowels in the other. Until I am called home, I will be in constant prayer but I will also be vigilant and stay busy planning and preparing. No one but the Father knows when Jesus will return, even though we see all of the signs foretold in the Bible coming in line, we can not second guess God. Therefore, we MUST be prepared for whatever we might be faced with. Become as self sufficient as possible. If there is any way to do so, purchase a piece of land where you can grow food and drill a water well. Put up a windmill and convert it to generate electricity(to operate phone chargers,batteries, etc.), stock up on non-perishable food and medications and first-aid supplies. Plant the gardens, sight in the rifles (for hunting etc.) obtain reloading equipment, whatever you can think you MIGHT need. All the while pray you don't need any of it. And get right with God, sooner than later!

[Sam Prescott]

the body cannot live for more than three days without water. I installed three rain barrels which are filled rather quickly with only a quarter of an inch of rain fall. Find food grade barrels which can be had from mimporters of Greek Olives. Scrub them out and hook them up to your down spouts. Biol the contents for at least ten minutes to counteract the impourities and filter it through a coffee filter to remove andy sediment. Drink up. People will be drinking anything when it hits and many will die from parasites etc. Mud puddles are not cool but even those can be purified. With the immediate gratification demanded by most today... you can guess the results.
Sam